“On the trail of afterlife” – or not

light tunnel First, Rolf Froböse advertises on WELT Online (German) his book “Die geheime Physik des Zufalls. Quantenphänomene und Schicksal” (translates to “The secret physics of coincidences. Quantum phenomena and fate”; publisher: Books on Demand), the scientifically apparently more than doubtful content Ulrich Berger already mentioned (German), and Kamenin wrote a scientific introduction in quantum physics, entanglement and the lies of mysticism (yeah, also German) – now the current edition of the big German TV magazine Hörzu (no. 20 from 9 May 2008) joins in and advertises “Lucy im Licht – dem Jenseits auf der Spur” by Markolf H. Niemz (translates to “Lucy in the light – on the trail of afterlife”; » book’s website) in a two-page article, a book with a similar topic (I read neither of these books, though, I won’t waste time and money on that – oh, and all translations are mine):

For many religions, “Life after death” is beyond dispute. In the mean time, however, even physicists are convinced of it — there is even initial experimental evidence

Well, that’s what they’d like…

Markolf Niemz, who also had TV and radio appearances for spreading his “theories” (I remember one on SWR1 Leute before Easter – also available as Podcast (28 min.), all German, of course), is admittedly a physicist “with a chair for medical technology at the Universtity of Heidelberg”, but neither on the book’s website nor in his Wikipedia article I cannot find any mention of any experiences in relativity or quantum mechanics.

Which, I think, can not least easily be seen in strange analogies like this about near-death experiences:

“People concurrently report they were flying through a tunnel at extremely high speeds, heading for a blazing light at its end. A surprizing parallel to the theory of relativity, which predicts that when moving at the speed of light, you fly through a dark tunnel towards a bright light – and space and time come to an end.” The logical conclusion: “Spirit, soul, whatever you want to call it, continue to exist in an (as yet) intangible area of the world or the universe forever.”

logic What a persuasive logic! With the same right you could also say: The sun is blazingly bright and creates that brightness with nuclear fusion. A (strong) flashlight is also blazingly bright. Logical conclusion: A flashlight operates on nuclear fusion. Or vice versa, the sun works with batteries. I somehow see more causality in these “conclusions” than in above quote…

Or: (Decisive) football matches often go into extra time. Spammers say each penis needs extra length. Logical conclusion: Football players continue to exist as e-mails in an (as yet) intangible area of the internet forever. ;)

Or: Well, the German word “Blüte” (blossom) is also used colloquially for counterfeit money, so in German, I concluded: these are growing on meadows and trees, and can also be found in your wallet (if you’re unlucky). So when blossoms wilt, they become counterfeit money (in German)…

Absurd? Yes! But more absurd than above quote from the Niemz article …?

On with the text. That from the aforementioned SWR1 broadcast, in this case; there it says:

Many signs, Niemz says, show that the soul is accelerated to the speed of light at the time of death.

Which, by the way, is not just an oversimplifying summary of the people at SWR, but was also said like this in the show itself.

faith Now I’m not a physicist, just a scientifically interested layman, so the experts may correct me if necessary, but as far as I know, there are two kinds of particles for what’s concerned here, two kinds that we, earth etc. are made of and which are needed for interaction: those without rest mass which always move at the speed of light and never become slower (photons, i.e. the light particles), and those with a rest mass (electrons, hadrons, etc.) which are always slower and can never be accelerated to the speed of light (since you’d require an infinite amount of energy for that). So if Niemz & co. would like to explain the soul in such ways based on relativity and quantums, they shouldn’t forget facts like these, and in general show more scientific elaborateness. But, well, then they’d have to do without statements with similar public appeal…

Niemz also regrets (in the SWR1 show) that “mysticism got a negative touch” – well, guess why? – and it’s “his goal to remain on scientific ground”. Not too solid a ground, I think. “Everything Lucy writes is not contradicting current science”? Well, maybe his understanding of science…

A perfectly matching quote, in my opinion, from a comment by Lars Fischer on the Brainlog Everyday Psychology (yes, also German, also my translation):

I suppose this is simply the well-known fool’s syllogism: I understand nothing about the soul and I understand nothing about quantum mechanics, so these two things must be related.

blue fibers The Entanglement of elementary particles, the wave–particle duality and “quantum properties” of the brain – naturally also mentioned in the Hörzu article, like a well-mixed stew, as well as Froböse and his book are also quoted – seem to form a welcome pretended scientific base in the phantasies of authors like these for alledged afterlife, a soul, telepathy and the like. Add a hint of actual, respectable experiments like those by Anton Zeilinger about quantum entanglement in order to “prove” that stuff – which of course only works with a lot of “selective perception”; when you take a closer look with the required meticulousness, though, such “theories” easily fall down like a house of unentangled cards.

Well, many people wish for an immortal soul, an afterlife, a beyond, and in addition or as replacement for the major religions and their church organizations, such constructs of ideas based on (pseudo-)scientific foundations may be appealing to the authors and to the public which is hopefully willing to pay for them.

Whether it’s the catering to the dreams and yearnings of the people, a “missionary work” or persuasion attempts or simply a rip-off, doesn’t matter that much in the end – if science is abused as explanation for fantasy dreams despite not yielding the claimed foundations – or as Kamenin had said it, “any mystic, religious or spiritual claims basically just try to spread nonsense when referring to a physical phenomenon” –, it annoys (not only) me all the more.

:arrow: The adequate closing words come from Niemz’ own statement (on SWR1) which, though mainly referring to the missionary work by churches, is also fitting to his books:

“So critically question and think yourself.”


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  1. jL

    …oder auch nicht :mrgreen: Das Kommentar-Zitat bringt es herrlich auf den Punkt.

    PS: falls das jetzt hier wie ein sinnloser Kommentar erscheinen sollte: wollt nur sagen, dass der Artikel super ist

  2. c

    Danke. :mrgreen: Du als meine Top-Kommentatorin dürftest durchaus mal einen sinnlosen Kommentar schreiben, aber ich finde, so sinnlos ist dieser nun auch nicht. :)

  3. T

    Sehr geehrter Herr Andreas Grögel,
    ich weiß das ihr Beitrag aus dem Jahr 2008 stammt.
    Aber trotzdem taucht er in Google auf. Wahrscheinlich sind ein
    verleumder der Wissenschaft oder wollen einige Dinge einfach nicht
    Sie sind nämlich kein Wissenschaftler und können solche dumme Behauptung gar nicht aufstellen.
    Also halten Sie ihr blöde Fresse!!!

    • c

      Richtig, ich will nicht einfach glauben – ich will Belege…

      Für den unwahrscheinlichen Fall, dass du mehr zu bieten hast als allgemeine Pöbeleien und Kraftausdrücke: Hast du denn wissenschaftlich fundierte Belege – idealerweise in einem renommierten peer-reviewten Journal veröffentlicht – für dieses Jenseitszeug und lichtschnelle Seelen? (Vielleicht sogar eigene Paper, denn du musst ja Wissenschaftler sein, wenn du mich so als Nicht-Wissenschaftler kritisierst – hast du mal ’nen Link zu deiner Doktorarbeit o.ä…?)

      Oder zumindest konkrete Kritikpunkte? Wenn du dir dann noch eine bessere Ausdrucksweise zulegst, kann man da ja drüber reden, aber sonst hast du dich und dein Anliegen dauerhaft disqualifiziert.

  4. RM

    Hallo cimddwc,

    danke für diesen hervorragenden Beitrag.

    Leider ist ein von Ihnen genannter Link mittlerweile nicht mehr erreichbar, nämlich Kamenin’s “Einführung in die Quantenphysik…” http://kamenin.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/einfuhrung-in-quantenphysik-verschrankung-und-die-lugen-der-esoterik/

    Diesen Artikel hatte ich damals ebenfalls mit Begeisterung gelesen und würde ihn gerne nocheinmal lesen. Über Hinweise, wie man an diesen Artikel bzw. an eine Einladung dazu gelangt, würde ich mich freuen. Weiss jemand, was den Verfasser dazu gebracht hat, den Zugriff auf seinen Blog zu beschränken?

    Danke im Voraus.

    • c

      Danke – auch für den Hinweis. Und in der Tat schade, dass das Blog jetzt privat ist (warum, weiß ich nicht).

      Schnell mal gegoogelt: Wenn mich meine Erinnerung nicht trügt – und neben dem Inhalt passen ja auch Autor und Links –, ist derselbe Artikel hier auch zu lesen.

      Bzw. mit kleinen Änderungen, denn zumindest die Formulierung „sehr, sehr weit Hergeholtes zu verbreiten“ im 1. Absatz war im wörtlichen Zitat am Ende meines Beitrags noch etwas deutlicher. :)

  5. RM

    Hallo cimddwc,

    das ging aber schnell, vielen Dank für den Hinweis.

    Mit freundlichem Gruß

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